Sesh With Sneaky Pete

Strap in, this is a good one! We had the opportunity to sesh with Sneaky Pete. As one of the most popular vape reviewers in the space, Pete has evolved his love for dry herb vaporizers into more than just a successful YouTube channel. He’s also opened two online stores, The Sneaky Pete Store and The Great White North Vaporizer Company.

While the Sneaky Pete Store serves US based customers, The Great White North Vaporizer Company serves Canada and the rest of the world. What do they have in common? Both are meticulously curated to only offer products with the Sneaky Pete seal of approval.

Pete has made his mark on the dry herb vape scene, and we don’t doubt that he’ll continue to do so! With accomplishments like these under his belt, it’s safe to say we can all learn a lot from him. Don’t take it from us though, let’s get right into the interview.

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A Sesh with Sneaky Pete

Jerry: Troy. You want to do the intro or me?

Troy: I didn’t have anything planned to say

Jerry: me neither. I was just going to ramble about what a cute guy Pete is.

Hey guys, were stoked to have you here tonight. I don’t even think I need to introduce this guy, but we will try. Troy and I were arguing over who’s going to do the intro and I mean, you guys know Sneaky Pete from everywhere in the vape space, doing videos and selling vapes and hidden shows.

You’ve, you’ve been around a long time and I’ve always respected your opinion. You’re you’re one of the few people that when I go to write a review, I’ll make sure I’ve looked at whatever you put out first, if you have, cause I don’t want to miss something. And there there aren’t many people out there where you’re one of the ones that I make sure I go check first, and you do great work.

Pete: Well, that’s, that’s funny. I appreciate that. And it’s, uh, it’s funny. There’s a loop going on. Cause I kind of do the same thing. You know what I mean? It’s just like, if I’m going to review something, it’s like, what have these guys said? Did they get any, you know, thing I missed or anything that, you know, I want to cover that I forgot about.

Right. It’s you know, I mean, you guys are both experts, right? So I mean, and not only that, I think there’s a big difference between owning a lot of vapes and assessing a lot of vapes, you know what I’m saying? When you’re really looking at them and you know, considering this aspect, this aspect, this aspect, it’s a little bit different than just having a monster collection, but you guys both have covered. Dwarf mine anyways. So…

Troy: There’s a weird territory there, though. Like when, when you have the perspective of hundreds and hundreds of vapes, little nuances and subtle differences between experiences and in vapor and all those things really start to differentiate. And then, trying to convey those things to people that only have two or three vapes sometimes gets weird, almost like snobbery to it.

And I never want to embrace like, oh, I’ve got 300 vapes. I never want to get to that snobbery.

Pete: Yeah. I noticed too. There’s like, I don’t think it’s just vapes, but I certainly notice it in vapes as well as like tribalism, you know what I’m saying? Like, oh, I like this. You like this?

No, no, no. That somehow challenges what I like, you know? And it’s just like, people choose their teams and stuff like that. And this just like, man, I’m not on a team. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I like this, I like that. I like this. I like it. You know, over some devices. I like this about this one. I like this about that one.

Or I don’t like this, about that one, you know? But you do notice that and just, it just this, like, you know, oh, you liked the Vapbong. Well, then that means you hate the hot rod. I was like, no, I don’t. I like them both.

Troy: That’s weird. And I, I, I get really discouraged by that type of society. And it’s actually one of the.

One of the reasons I kind of set up the 420vapezone in discord, and then we’ve been building the community in a more objective way where we, we, we avoid vape politics and we avoid that, that vape cult kind of tribalism.

Pete: That’s what it is, it’s it? Yeah, it is. And it’s, um, you know, and I don’t, I, I just, I don’t really know what it is.

I just think that’s the way that the world is just being geared towards man. It’s just this, this us and them mean of every possible thing. You know what I mean? Like take sports rivalries from like 50 years ago and then just build that for 50 years kind of thing.

Troy: When I noticed that I, that I have people that are just hating on me and I take that as like, well, look, it probably means I’m doing something right.

Like I’m getting people’s attention at least, you know.

Pete: I know, I know. It’s like, it’s a weird. Like flex, basically. You know what I mean? It’s like, yeah, I got some people like, oh, Hey honey, here’s the one that really hates me on the internet here. Check that out, you know? But, but it’s true, right? I mean, it’s just like, it’s the way it is, man.

If you like, I have never seen a single YouTube channel big, um, well, once you get past a certain point that doesn’t have some people talking crap, you know what I mean? And it’s just like, I don’t get it. I mean, I, I really hope I don’t engage in that. You know what I’m saying? Like, I don’t, I don’t even, I don’t even like dislike it videos, like for me to dislike a video, it has to be agregious.

You know what I mean? Like there has to be something like, truly reprehensible about it. I was like, no, no, because I don’t like getting my videos disliked. Nobody likes that stuff. Right. So it’s like, I try not to do it myself. I mean, it’s a little hypocritical, right? If you’re just like throwing out the dislikes and then.

The dislikes, you know what I mean? Like to pick a lane, basically pick a lane, pick the light lane, you know what I’m saying? Have to like lane man.

Troy: What about comments? When people leave shitty comments on your, on your stuff, you ever dislike those shitty comments?

Pete: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Because it’s just like, that’s the thing.

It depends on what the comment [00:05:00] is. If someone’s, let’s say a like the mighty, you know, if someone’s just like, oh, I hate this thing. It’s ugly. And it’s got so much plastic. Fair enough. That’s your opinion like that? I don’t have a problem with that. You can, you can state your opinion all day long, but it’s just like, like, oh, this guy’s idiot.

He has no idea what he’s talking about. It’s just like, well, that’s, that’s a little different, you know what I’m saying? Like now you’re talking about me personally. And I, I always just like, you know what, whatever happened to the idea of just like, if you don’t like something. Go somewhere else and look somewhere else, watch a different, like, you know what I mean?

Like, did we forget this kind of thing? It’s like, no, no, no, you need to know how I feel about this. And it’s real negative. And it’s about you. And it’s just like, what’s the deal, man. Like, I don’t know.

Troy: You’ll see someone come in and they’ll, they’ll leave a shitty comment on one of your videos. And then 18 minutes later, they leave a shitty comment on a different video.

And then 13 minutes later, they leave a shitty comment on a third video. It’s like, you’re hating me, but you’re watching all my shit. What are you doing?

Pete: Why are you doing this? Like, what is, I don’t think I’ve, I’ve never, you know, unless it, my, one of my, um, one of the only places I go on Reddit, I go to Reddit, like just in the morning, quick check that’s about it.

Cause it’s just like, it can be a real time sync sort of thing. But, um, I like the cringe. I really enjoy some good cringe. Like I really, really, really do. But sometimes the cringes don’t good. You can’t even watch it. You know what I’m saying? Like, you’re just like, it is just, oh, it’s like, oh, this just hurts to watch this.

Like, you know, guy embarrass himself like this, you know, but that’s at the same time, that’s like peak cringe. So it’s, you know, I don’t know what to make of it, but I do enjoy a good cringe from time to time, you know, as long as I don’t see myself on cringe, then as long as those years

Troy: there, there is, there is something to watching that and where you w you witnessed other people experiencing those, those things and going through those things, making those life mistakes, the animals you can learn from it.

Pete: Yeah. Well, and I think everyone can relate, you know what I mean? We’ve all had had moments just, hopefully it’s not memorialized on, on film. You know, I like, man, I tell you, you know, it’s like maybe, maybe it dates me a little bit, but it’s just like, I’m really glad I didn’t like grow up with camera phones.

You know what I’m saying? Like, we, we had cell phones, like when I was in, you know, I think like at a cell phone and I was like grade 11 or grade 12, but it certainly didn’t have a camera. You know what I’m saying? Like it, it did not. And I really glad I got to grow up without having cameras always around because like, man, I just think of like the, the stuff that, you know, everyone’s done stupid things or, you know what I’m just like partying and stuff.

The guy’s a cat and I’m, it’d be nice to have like a couple pictures, but like on a piece of like an actual picture that you have and you know, there’s one of them and you have the photo, right? Not just like, oh, your buddy took it. This guy’s got a video. And it’s just like, it’d be tough growing up now, man.

Like, I don’t know. Well, you have, you, you guys both have kids, don’t you like. So Troy, your kids are teenagers.

Troy: My kids are 22 or 23 and 17.

Pete: Okay. So it’s gotta be tough with kids in like, you know, wanting to get a phone and get on social media and like, in a way they kind of need to, but in a way you’re like, ah, or want you to do that.

And you’re like 14, right? Like it’s like, what’s a good age, you know?

Troy: Yeah. I, I went through that before, before smartphones were everywhere. Like when my oldest daughter bought her for a cell phone, uh, it was before it was, it was during the iPhone revolution, but it wasn’t to the point where I phones were the standard.

Pete: Right.

Troy: And yeah, my youngest daughter, it was just. At some point in, in middle school, it was like, it was more for us. So like, you need to have a phone because when, when we’re late or when you’re somewhere and we need to communicate with you, or we need you to communicate with us, we can’t rely on.

Traditional methods anymore, like go to the school office and borrow the phone and call us. Because what if we don’t answer, you need to be able send a text message.

You need to

Pete: yeah. Send her out with a quarter to find a payphone. I don’t really think those exist anymore. Anytime you see a pay phone, I just, I want to use it, you know, but it sounds like then I, the only phone numbers I know are like childhood friends from, you know, 25 years ago who I’m sure don’t have the same phone number.

Those are in my head. Those are locked in. You know what I mean? But like numbers of people I know now I don’t, I don’t know anyone’s number. Like, uh,

Troy: I remember when there was, there was a, an anti tech like trend for kids, like, like your, your kid doesn’t need an iPhone. Your kid doesn’t need to be on Instagram.

And there was like, I keep your kids disconnected, limit their screen times to 30 minutes a day until they’re 18 and stuff. And I, I remember being in that turmoil like, oh shit, am I fucking with my kids by anybody doing this stuff? And then I got to thinking when they’re adults [00:10:00] and now like 29 and 2025, when my kids are all grown up and I can’t control their screen times anymore, we’re going to be living in a world that is all screen

time.

Pete: Yeah, pure digital.

Troy: So, why am I going to prevent my kids from learning about what the future is going to be like? That’s like, that’s like if my parents were to not allow me to have a computer, when I was a kid, I wouldn’t be doing what I’m doing today.

Pete: Totally, totally.

Troy: I approached the, the phones and stuff as like bully enabled.

Like you get here, here’s a Mac book. Here’s an iPhone. Go, go chase your passions, go explore your creativities. Please be responsible.

But yeah. Trust my kids, you know?

Pete: Yeah. Well, you got to, I guess, right. I mean, that’s just like an, and at the end of the day, it’s like, eventually you have to, I mean, like that’s the, you know, you’re raising adults.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, you’re you think about the adults? Not just like the kid, you know? And it’s like, you can, you know, and I mean, I don’t think kids tend to turn out great where people kind of bubble wrap them and let them, you know, do anything. Right. You know what I mean? Like people are too, too sheltered, I guess.

It’s just that, that fine line of like, okay, you can do things, but within reason, you know what I mean? But then you think back to like, when you’re a teenager and it’s just like, oh man, this is just, yeah. You know what you were doing. Right. It’s like, yeah.

Jerry: You know, I was on the leading edge of a kid trying to do video shit and parents not liking it, suffered that shit my whole life.

Yeah. Now I’m on the other side of that. And I’m starting to see some things a little differently. Um, one is, uh, I would encourage technology for sure, but I would balance it with time outdoors. I don’t care what they do outdoors. I’ll give a fuck what they’re doing outdoors.

Pete: Yeah. As long as it’s outdoors, just do something

Jerry: because what we miss when we’re not outdoors is, is, is nature.

And then. An actual connection to what’s really going on out there. And our experience becomes limited to the pixel and limited to what worked fed by an agenda and limited. And that’s why you get these haters that are running around online, because they just go from video to video, to video, spread and shit.

If they will go outside just for 30 minutes and get their mind off that shit, all I gotta do is sit and look at a blade of grass. And it’s, it’s more interesting than anything they’ll see on their computer. So I think the outdoor time is pretty big. I’m not sweating the tech so much. Um, but I will say this, another thing is reading, um, reading.

Um, I’m just now I’m coming back to reading over the last couple of years and I’ve discovered that what reading does is it engages your brain differently. When we, when we consume all our media through the, through the TV V. Our brains don’t have to do much. It’s literally fed all of our senses are fed, but when you read, you engage your brain to create whatever you see or have virtual experiences, but you, you, you, your, your brain is active and all that, and it becomes your experience of that book.

Not spoon fed on every census, somebody else’s thing. And it’s just, yeah. Going outside, reading a book and yeah. Dive into technology. But I think if you can balance those three, it keeps the brain active and keeps you focused.

Pete: Yes, I totally, I can relate to that so much. I bought, I think it was maybe it was, it was other 20.

I think it was in 2020. I bought a Kindle and, uh, man, I have just like, you know, I used, I used to read kind of like you, you know what I mean? I used to read quite a bit, went through, you know, a good, long period where I read very little, you know what I mean? Maybe you read a book a year kind of thing.

Right? Like just wasn’t really something I did. And part of it for me was, uh, the books. Like, I don’t know if you guys have a Kindle, but if you like reading, you owe it to yourself to get one. Like there is, there is no going back. Like once you, once you have a Kindle, you can’t go back to regular books.

They are just, I don’t know how you could say they’re not better. You know what I mean? Like there you, the screen. They’re super light. You don’t have to worry about page. You can hold them with one hand, press, just press on the screen to flick the thing. And I mean, since I got my Kindle, now I’ve read, I was checking the other day.

I’ve read like, you know, 30 or 40 books since I got it, you know, a couple years ago sort of thing. Right. So now I try to read because it’s exactly what you say. It’s, that’s the way I think about it. It’s a, it’s a passive activity consuming ver versus an active activity. You’re still consuming, but you can’t just read, like you can’t be done for you.

Okay. Audio books, I guess, but I don’t think that’s the same. Like I’m not, I’m not a big fan of audio books. Cause I want to, I want to read, you have to engage your brain, you know, when you’re just exposed to words, don’t use everyday, you know, these words, but you don’t use them every day. Right. Then they have a chance to enter into your vocabulary.

Um, and all that sort of thing. So I’m yeah. And that’s, that’s funny you say that I’m a huge advocate for reading. Like I think it’s a really good activity for

Troy: then not only does it fully engage your brain, but it also like shuts down the other portions of your brain. [00:15:00] Because like when you’re, when you’re doing things, your brain is firing and thinking and you’re having random thoughts and phobes pizza, wait, you know, like whatever.

But, but when you’re, when you’re reading a in theory, you know, you’re, you’re all those things are like, it’s almost like meditating, you know, like you’re, you’re shutting those things off and you’re just like, we are focused on interpreting and it’s slow because you’re going, you know, you’re scanning the words, whereas your thoughts are normally fast.

Pete: No, totally.

Jerry: You’re w with an audio book, your eyes become a distraction. You, like you said, Troy, when you read your eyes are fully engaged in the process, instead of become a distraction, they become the portal to those words. So it’s, it really is. It helps you get in the moment more than I audio books. I can’t focus

Pete: now. That’s just the same way I was. Cause I figured like once I was getting into reading and I think it came with like an audible membership or something, so I’m like, oh, I’ll try this out. And so I was, um, I even remember the book, it was a 10 X by Grant Cardone. If you read that book, he’s kind of a fun guy.

It was a good book, but I find, I would just like, I would, I would have it on and I’m walking my dog instead of listening to music or something like that. Yeah. You’re walking. You’re like, oh, I, I have no idea what, what he just said. Like, cause you’re not, you know what I mean? You’re looking at a car or you’re watching what your dogs do in or whatever.

You know, it’s like, it’s, it’ll still happen. It’s like watching a TV show. It can still happen without you paying attention. You look away, close your eyes. It still goes on.

Troy: So on the, on the Kindle thing, I I’ve, I’ve been a big fan of the canola. I got the first Kindle and it came out and I’ve had every Kindle sense.

I’ve even had a couple of the most recent versions because there’s damages and stuff, but they haven’t replaced real books.

Pete: How come

Troy: like, because there’s just something about. The paper version. And also for, for me, I think there’s something about disconnecting from the screen. I think because of all of my work is here at the screen.

Even when I like pull out my phone, I get, I get absorbed into work things and Instagram, and those things even become work when with, with a brand like this. So I really value the disconnect. Like I’ve been going to the parking meditating without my phone, because I I’ve caught myself a few times, like using a meditation app, going to the meditation app and finding myself an Instagram.

Pete: Sure. Yeah.

Troy: Am I, what the fuck am I doing?

Pete: It just happens, man. And man, I tell you this, like when people say like phones and you know, just technology, isn’t addictive, they are kidding themselves. Or they’re like actively lying to themselves. Sort of thing. Phones are crazy addictive. They are designed by some of the top.

Top minds in technology and design and psychology. These people are all involved to make them as addictive as they possibly can. It’s just like all, all open Instagram to check, uh, you know, ho how is this post doing? Next thing you know, I’m watching reels for 10 minutes. I’m like, what am I, I, I don’t even know where I’m doing this.

You know what I’m saying? Like, I didn’t plan on doing this. I’m not even aware when I started doing it, but here I am. You know what I mean, 10 minutes into it. I’m just scrolling through watching reels and it’s like, they’re they just hook you, man. It’s like,

Troy: that’s why I don’t tick tock. tik tok is so good.

I know, getting you with

the hook and just,

Pete: oh yeah, well, you know, and a huge part of it is, uh, you know, why think is, is a really good idea to disconnect from the screen is like, I’m sure everyone is aware of as a whole, but like, you know, if you’re aware of your own personal attention span and the drop in your attention span, my God like that people’s attention spans have been decimated over the last like five years or something like that.

Like, there’s one of the reasons tik tok, I think got so popular age, just because of the endless scrolling, right? Just the endless scrolling. There’s always something new, you just flick your phone up and there’s a new video. And, um, I don’t know, it’s just kind of everything about the money cash, right.

But it’s the short, the short time, like they’re typically like, you know, under 30 seconds sort of thing. Like if you’re scrolling through, you know, telegram or something like that, there’s a video it’s like seven minutes. No chance I’m watching this. No, Jess, see one is like 45 seconds. It’s like, all right, I’m interested.

I’ll check that out. You know, it’s like, right. It’s it’s just, uh, that’s, that’s the thing that, that’s the thing for me. I really am, I’m trying to improve is just my focus, you know, like just getting back to like, okay, let’s do this for 30 minutes and with no distractions, you know? Cause yeah, it’s just, you know, it’s just the modern world,

man.

Troy: They have, they have such a huge data set to work with so many people using it that they’re just learning from the people and figuring all of us out and using what other people like L just constantly doing multi-variate tests and AB tests and figure it out for this type of person, which video performs better, which would be his performance better, which one is going to keep people attack attracted longer.

And then they’re [00:20:00] constantly trying to. W w the, the viewer type and then the content type, and then they’re lining things up just,

Pete: yeah. You and all these categories and stuff like that. You know, what about this? Have you guys ever noticed this? I’m sure. It’s like, you know, something you’ve seen discussed, but have you ever personally noticed of, like, you have a, uh, you know, conversation with somebody about something you don’t normally talk about and then you see an ad for it?

Like, what is what, like, you know what I mean? I think it’s like one of those things you need to, like, people need to kind of ask themselves, like, okay, what’s going on? Like what, what is honestly going on for that to happen? Like our phones, listening to us. And we’re all just like listening. It’s just, you know what I mean?

Like, it’s insane.

Jerry: That happened to me on the beach when there’s nobody who should hear anything, I’m fucking. Yeah, just walking down the beach with my wife and we got our phones in our pockets and we talk about some we haven’t talked about ever.

Pete: Yeah.

Jerry: And then, and then on the walk back, 30 minutes later, there was a, there was a fuck an email about something I’m like, that’s, that’s been going on for a bit.

So the point where I’m like, I don’t even, I don’t even, I don’t even try to escape it. Like I know what I’m in for man. I know what, if I’m in the society, I’m surveilled. They know what I’m doing. That’s cool. I’m not killing people, whatever, you know what I mean? It’s like, it’s kind of what you have to go with to stay…

Pete: No, you know, you’re right. I mean, if you’re going to take part in all the tech and stuff like that, it’s just like, this is where we’re at. You know what I’m saying? It’s like, you can, you can go, you know, a ludite sort of thing, just no tech, you know, just shut it all down. Don’t get internet at home, you know, but man, I dunno. Oh,

Jerry: are we going to make a little bit, we’re not doing that.

We’re not leading that charge.

Troy: Had a pretty big change of mind . Years ago in terms of like the internet privacy. And like, I used to be, I hated it when anybody knew my shit, like if I got a targeted ad, I was like, what the fuck? I’m like fact that somebody knows that I was looking at lounge Ray on Amazon and that pisses me off or whatever, you know?

So I hated that element. And then, and then I, I worked for a newspaper and I had to deal with ad placement and work with ad companies. And I realized that without any personalization, without any targeting, without any user information, all users are the same. And that advertisers had to treat platforms with a demographic UL decision-making and just kind of run blink shotgun style ads to everybody.

But with a personalized advertising experience, You’re only getting ads that are actually irrelevant to you, or at least that’s in theory, you’re getting ads that are actually irrelevant to you, which makes your experience better. It makes the advertiser’s experience better because they’re getting,

Pete: yeah.

You might actually get the sale better. No, it is. It is true. I, I think that’s, you know, that’s like, um, you know, there’s an old saying I, um, I remember from school and it’s just like, you know, I don’t remember exactly what is, but it’s just like, people only dislike advertising when it’s not something you’re interested in, you know, like never you ever been on the internet and you’ve seen something you’re like, oh my God, I didn’t know this existed.

And then you go on the website and the next day you buy it, like. Right. Isn’t that? Isn’t that a good thing then? Like, you’re like, wow, I I’m excited to get this. This is something that I didn’t know existed. Now I want the thing. And then I went ahead and bought it like, then advertising is good. So it’s not just like, by way of the fact it’s advertising, it’s bad, you know, it’s just like, I think that kind of speaks to what you’re saying, right?

Like the more generalized advertising you get, the less chance you’re going to be into it. Right. So the more targeted stuff you can get, the better chance it’s actually going to be of interest. So it’s like maybe I’m advocating for a surveillance. I don’t know.

Jerry: I’m listening to you if they want to ask a survey and what I’m interested in, that’s fine.

But you know, that, that listening in stuff is bullshit, man. Like that. No,

Pete: no, no, I don’t like it. Like, I’ve got, I’ve got a camera, like a security camera in my home and it’s just like, I turn that thing off regularly. You know what I’m saying? Like, I’m just like, and I’m just like, I don’t want anyone needing and I’m just like put, so I normally think that someone’s listening and I’m okay with that.

You know what I mean? Like, it’s just the weird kind of logical disconnect. It’s like, I’m not okay with it, but by virtue of me kind of doing it and turn it off sometimes I guess I am, you know, like, I don’t know, man, I’m going, it’s a weird line.

Troy: My ring doorbell, like that, that camera system from, from ring, it, it ties in with local police and local police basically have access to my, my camera footage, if, if needed to be really, that made me very uncomfortable.

Yeah. Because I was like, hold up. I’m like, if, if, I mean, I’m happy to like [00:25:00] be the network of things and, and. And added security, but I don’t for one, I don’t know if I fully trust the powers of people like who has access to and w w how is that going to come up? Because I’ve been bowled over by some fucking clowns.

And if those demons can somehow weasel their, their shit in, fuck. No, fuck you. Give me, give me my, my camera bag or human mind and my security. But also how, uh, how about, uh, what are the other relationships going on? Like if government money is no, suddenly working into a ring business, like if there’s like grants or if there’s money, money trading hands, and I’m just keep being the consumer buying products.

I’m not, I’m not getting any kickbacks here. Am I only getting added security?

Pete: Yeah. Well, and if you think about that too, right. Like just kind of think about that concept from the right. So this is like, this is looking outside and it’s like, you know, the police have access to, you know, look for crimes or whatever it is.

It’s kind of like, okay. So all we really need to go is, go and turn that camera. So it’s facing in, you know what I’m saying to then that’s the next step, right? So it’s like it’s death by a thousand cuts kind of thing. And it’s just like, I think when, you know, like, We were talking about reading. I went and read a ton of, um, you know, classic books.

Probably a lot of people read in high school. I didn’t read them all in high school. Like I read 1984 again, read, you know, Fahrenheit 4 51, uh, animal farm, Lord of the flies. Like, you know, just a whole bunch of whole bunch of ones like that. And, you know, I never thought in, or I don’t think in 1984, they ever thought when they were writing that, that people would be putting the Telus screens in their own house.

Like, you know what I’m saying? Like, people would ha would buy an expensive telescreen so they could carry it in their pocket at the time. Right. But it’s just like, there’s not there. There hasn’t had to be a push strategy of surveillance. It’s been about. People have wanted it because it comes with all these other sort of benefits.

Right? So it’s like if the, if the plan was to get cameras in people’s homes and you know, to surveil people through these means they don’t know about it. Mission accomplished, like, you know what I’m saying? They they’ve done it. And we’ve all, not only signed up for it, but paid money, like our hard earned money to do this.

Right. Like,

Troy: we’ve been reversed, psychology.

Pete: It’s crazy, man. Like, it really is kind of crazy in a way, but it’s like, you know, then you think of the alternative and it’s just like, I mean, I think it’d be pretty tough to exist. I mean, I’m sure there’s people that do it, but if you decided I’m just not gonna have a smartphone just straight up, I will not have one.

That’s gonna make things tough. Like just in general, you know what I mean? Like there’s so many things now that it’s required, like QR codes, you know what I mean? Things like that. Right. And to our code, that was a great meme I saw. And it was like, who had the best year in like 20, 21? It was like QR codes, right?

Codes like date. They were like this. Yeah. And now they’re everywhere right now. People are using them all the time. It’s like hats off to QR codes, man, you guys, this is what, this is what you needed to, to make it work. I guess. I don’t know. I

Troy: remember trying to implement QR codes and, and marketing efforts and SEO efforts 10, 12 years ago.

And just really people being. What the fuck is that weird thing, you know, now, now I go, I w I go to a restaurant and there’s no menus. There’s this QR codes on the table. And there’s no sign that says, scan this for menu. Everybody just knows. Everybody’s like, oh,

Jerry: I’m the dude who’s sitting there going fucking menu here, man.

Pete: Well, I think the big thing is once they made it, so you, your camera can scan QR codes. I think that was the thing that they really needed. Cause before I remember QR codes and you needed an app, right. So nobody wanted to get an app, but now it’s just like, when you open up your camera, if there’s a QR code, you just go to the link.

I think that’s, that was the key. That was the secret sauce, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I

Troy: think there’s some shady things going on with those QR codes nowadays, by the way,

Jerry: what’s going on.

Troy: What’s going on? Because I went to a restaurant in LA where I had to use the QR code and rather than opening a URL to a website with a menu.

It like connected to Google apps and shared a PDF and it put the menu in my own Google drive and then hold up, it gets worse. It gets worse permissions that it has to, like two days later, I got an email to the email address that I only use on that Google drive. Like I got a promotional email from that, that restaurant to the email address that I use.

And that Google drive. And I never gave that email address to anybody, but since I clicked that QR and it like sharing the thing, I guess they, they probably figured out like who the PDF has shared with. I don’t know how, how they did that shit, but there’s some fuckery going on.

Pete: Yeah, yeah. That [00:30:00] is, yeah.

That is there’s, there’s all kinds of stuff like that. You know what I mean? It’s all like, you know, the bit by bit aspect. Right. And it’s just like, where, where is this kind of w what does this sort of thing look like in three years from now 10 years from now? You know what I mean? Like, is it, is it like

Jerry: the last time you were able to those agreements, every time you install something, do you ever read any of that shit?

You just go, okay. And I’m sitting here. So

Troy: I agree button, come on.

Pete: Uh, scroll down. Yeah.

Jerry: So, man, we’re probably in there agreeing to all this shit. They’re going to do other stuff. Yeah. We’re going to grab this thing here.

Troy: Take my left kidney here

Jerry: and that’s okay.

Pete: Yeah. We’re all just like, well, the menu is easy, you know, like I did have to ask them for a menu.

I guess that’s better. But yeah, it’s ridiculous. Yeah. Well, pretty, pretty much, man. But you know, it’s it’s and welcome to 2022, you know, we

Jerry: shouldn’t have legislation that says those kinds of agreements are bullshit. Your agreement has to fucking have no more than five bullet points. With 10 words in each

Pete: story you can five bullet points or something told him, like,

Jerry: get to the fucking point I’m agreeing to.

And that kind of bullshit.

Pete: Well, they purposely make them all complex. So no one will read them or be able to understand them unless you have like a lawyer explaining it to you because you’re not with you plain text or, you know what I mean? It’s all legal terms and stuff. And that, that stuff is, is hard to read, man, like.

Jerry: If it’s not simple and they’re fucking with you, that’s all there is to it. The more complicated or is it so they can fuck with it. You look at, you look at the U S tax code, Jesus Christ. It’s huge why we can fuck with you per you know, so that those that know you can wiggle through it and not pay any taxes, but everybody else gets fucked with.

And I’m like, fuck on. Come on, man. Just like make this easy. Well, it should be three pages

long yet. Max. I went to school for audio engineering. So we were talking, he was talking about, uh, you know, working out a place compared to, uh, being your own boss. Right. And he was a huge, huge advocate for like owning a business, um, not being an employee.

Pete: Cause he’s just like, well, you have to think about a COO who’s writing the tax code, who’s writing, um, you know, corporate code and all this kind of stuff. Is it employees or is it business people like this is all, you know, written by business people for business people it’s not designed to, to, you know, for the low guy on the totem pole to get ahead.

Like it’s, it’s, it’s designed in the exact opposite fashion, right? So nefarious, various stuff, man. But you know, I mean, it’s no different up here than, than down there for like 99% of stuff. I don’t think like our nations are very, very similar in so more similar than not basically, you know what I mean?

Troy: You guys can buy. Psilocybin mushrooms on like Craigslist and the internet.

Pete: Yeah, there’s I get, I get like Google ads, like mushrooms or, um, they actually just, I don’t, I don’t think it’s in Canada, but in, in BC they just made it so people, um, you know, I guess it’s like a hole in the water sort of thing, but like for, um, veterans with PTSD, they’re actually right near my house.

They’re um, they’re opening up a new Legion, which is like for veterans. I don’t know if you guys have those down here and, uh, they’re having, it’s like the first of its kind, it’s kind of like a research center, um, dedicated for psychedelics to treat PTSD and things like that. Fantastic. So I find that, you know, like that that’s good and they also changed it in BC.

So, um, people who are like, um, like terminal cases and stuff like that can access, uh, Psychedelics as well, mushrooms and MDMA specifically, so you can get like government provided, um, you know, people for like end of life type thing. So, you know, a good, you know, I think, I think that’s good. I mean, I don’t, I, I think it’s people, people should be able to do whatever they want.

I’m, I’m a big fan of like, people is as long as you’re not hurting someone else or asking someone to hurt someone else or trying, you know what I mean? But like, in general, like for these types of things, take the brakes off, man. Like, you know what I’m saying? It’s just like, you know, like the war on drugs, drugs, one like drugs, one,

We get on, like when did the war on drugs started? Like the seventies or something of the eighties? Like it was the early eighties with Reagan. I don’t know, but like

Jerry: sixties and early seventies, I just

Troy: Humans need to start putting support systems in place for humans rather than control systems.

Pete: Yeah. They’re, they’re doing that a lot up here.

Like they’ve, they’ve decriminalized, uh, possession of, uh, you know, like heroin and stuff like that, like personal possession, um, because, you know, they want, they want people to feel comfortable to get it tested. So it’s not, you know, it doesn’t have fentanyl in it and things like that. Right. And they, and they want people to, uh, your, you know, your buddy’s overdosing.

Well, I’ve got drugs on me. I’m not going to call the ambulance cause I don’t want to get arrested. Right. So they don’t want things like that happening. So, [00:35:00] um, you know, in, in a lot, like in Vancouver specifically there, they have a pretty progressive policy for all that kind of stuff. But you know, municipal municipally, they can only do so much.

Right. Like. Change, you know, supersede federal law in a municipality kind of thing, but in general, in Vancouver, it’s, it’s super progressive. In that sense,

Troy: when I decided to do this, I was in such a, uh, opportune place like California was on the road to legalization and I was pretty confident that they would, they would fully legalize.

We were already medicinal and it’s so casually accepted here. I was like, I could, I could be okay with outing myself as a stoner now, because before, like when I was, when I was working in the.com life, if, if word got out that I was a stoner, it could, could have ruined my career. Like I, I remember, uh, going to an SEO conference and Ardene with some really like high level.

Like super authority, SEO guys. And I don’t want to, I don’t want to out them here, but they, they offered weed and I was like, oh my God, fuck this dude smokes. I wanna smoke with this dude. But my coworkers are here. I’ll get, I’ll get, I’ll get shit canned for this. You know, like, I, I can’t smoke with this idol of mine because, because of the situation, you know, and, and now in California, that was as like, I’m, I’m gonna, I’m going to be me.

I’m going to, yeah, I’m gonna fuck all that anxiety, all that.

Pete: Well, I mean, it is due to like, you know, not to kind of make anyone a hero, but like, it really is up to people like ourselves who consume on camera to kind of normalize this type of thing. You know what I mean? Like, not necessarily just the three of us, but like in general, right? Like if we ever want to get to a place where, you know, when kids are growing up, they’re aware that there’s maybe alcohol that people consume at parties and then there’s weed that people consume at parties.

Like people probably aren’t doing hard drugs, parties around kids. I hope, but you know, there, there will hopefully be a day where it becomes kind of like a coffee and tea, you know what I mean? Like, not so much as like we only have coffee here. There’s some tea drinkers. We’ll talk about the tea drinkers, you know, like it just takes people, people using it and be like, yeah, I, I use this and I also like, you know, have a family and have a career and it’s not like the sole thing I am, you know what I mean? Like

Troy: it’s so okay. For a. Mom to have a rough day and have a glass of wine at five o’clock. And it’s, it’s almost a culture thing. Like.

Pete: It’s wine o’clock and like have water bottles, a little, you know, say, oh, there’s like some little, you know, trope about wine or something. Even like, these are like normalized and like all mommy wine club and like, this is cool, but it’s just like, oh yeah, you know, I took a three grand, three milligrams CBD, edible this morning.

It’s like, oh God, call, call CPS. You know? And it’s just like, oh shit, hi. Like, why? Like there’s no, there’s no reason for it. I mean, up here it’s, it’s just, it’s fully legal. Right. And it’s, it doesn’t, it doesn’t feel honestly, it doesn’t feel any different to me. Like none, because it, it always felt like that up here.

Like, you know, it wasn’t the case, but that’s just how it always felt like you weren’t, you weren’t worried about getting busted or anything like that. But now that it’s actually legal, it’s definitely better. You know what I mean? Because it’s like now, you know, you know, you can, you can, you’re not allowed to, you know, you don’t love to drive after.

Things you can’t do like for plans, you’re limited to how many you can grow and all this sort of thing. But, um, you know, there’s a system in infrastructure, in a rules in place and the government weed has been getting significant. Cause there’s not like government weed. It’s just, you know, the producers that are, you know, licensed to sell kind of thing.

And, uh, I I’ve noticed a real improvement in quality, like certain, certain growers now, like you get just fantastic stuff from them, but it’s expensive. It’s expensive. It’s just, you know, they tax the ever loving hell out of it. We’ve got an extra in BC. So if you want to buy a cartridge, right? A lot of people do cartridges are crazy popular, always surprisingly popular.

You pay 12% tax like on the purchase, GST and PST, but you also pay 20% of vape tax on cartridges. So you’re being 32% tax. If you want to buy a cartridge up here, Y Y like, why are we punishing people for this kind of thing? Right? Like, it’s like, there’s already tax, you know what I mean? Your tax and the tax at this point, it’s, don’t get me started about taxes

Jerry: and just started a man dude, Pete.

Hang on a second, man. We’ve been going almost an hour. I ain’t asked you one of these fucking questions over here.

Pete: Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I got some answers to

Jerry: pick three vapes. Which one would you forget about? Which one would you update and which one would you keep saying?

Pete: Yeah, [00:40:00] so, okay. So what’s the difference between fucking and marry?

Jerry: Well, marry’s the one you’re going to keep. Fuck’s the one you’re going to use and get rid of. And so, and then the kill is the one you don’t want at all. Just get rid of that

Pete: That’s a good question.

Jerry: So, for us. The it’s for forget is which one you just kind of wish it never had. Yeah, update is the one that you want to keep and make a little better.

Like this is the one that’s almost there and I’ll take it for life. And then the, the kill is pretty much the same. Right. And w what is it it’s, uh, forget, update and keep and keep which one would you marry and which, which one? Which one should I forget as soon it needs an update and keep as one when you want to keep them forever as it is,

Pete: man. Oh, man. That’s a good, that is a good question. I, I do understand the, uh, the basis, I think, um, let me think about it, you know, That’s always tough. This goes back to whenever I answer a question like this, you, you feel about the people that are going to get mad at you. They’re like, but I have that and I love it.

And it’s just like, that’s fine. That’s fine. You can, you can love it. I’m not saying you shouldn’t love it. I’m just saying I don’t love it. You know what I mean? Like that’s all it is. It’s not a, it’s not a judgment on you, you know? Um, let’s see. Let me, let me think about that for a minute. Let me think about that for, for a quick minute.

I would say the key is it like, this was the Vaughn I was in the wrong, like I used the wrong all the time. Like all the time. It is one of my highly, highly, highly used vapes. Um, and I think it’s just, it’s just so good the way it is, you know, like I just think they, for somebody who wants to pay through water, I think they really nailed it with this.

And I do, you know what I mean? So it’s like, it just does, it does everything that I need. It heats up so fast and. You know, I I’m liking this new cap too, by the way. It’s, it’s been an interesting checkout

Troy: right on the Vong is such a good choice. Like if that goes back to last year’s hydrovac long or whatever, and, and forgets the, the metal crowns and that, that nice lunch feel, I’m gonna be pissed.

Pete: Yeah.

Troy: The new vong is a thing.

Pete: Like, I, I think they nailed it, nailed it. Right? Like, and it’s, you know, it’s made at a titanium, it comes in at a really good price point. When you look at like their entire lineups pricing sort of thing. Like, I just think for this one, they just kind of nailed it with that.

Right. And it’s, uh, it’s, it’s the most popular wouldn’t be sell. Like we sell more bongs and bong man. Yeah. And multiple sizes. Right. So, um, then the, so the other one is something you’d want to see updated, like you like it, but you want to see it updated. You like it, but you want to see it update a bit, man.

See, that’s see. I need to be, I need to be looking at my vape drawer

Troy: or, or just needs an update, you know?

Pete: Uh, how about, how about this here? This is, here’s a, here’s a hot take.

Jerry: I was just about to say, he’s going to pull out a ghost.

Pete: You know, the ghost, the goat, or maybe this is a kill I don’t know. This is an in-between. This was a real poll. Some people really hated this thing. Some people really loved it. Um, great idea.

Difficult, difficult to execute. I think they’re, you know, they’re kind of marketing how they went about, it was little, little weird off the top, you know what I mean? I think that they burned through a ton of money doing that. You know what I mean? So like, I dunno if that the shirt got their name out there fast, but, um, I think I found this version, like the second version here was, uh, you know, quite a bit improvement with the door and everything.

Like they seem to get that a lot better, but, um, yeah, it was just, you know, just didn’t quite, quite have what it took, but it was just close and it was unique. Uh, it hit hard flavor was really, really good. And I never, you know, struggled with combustion in it and stuff like that. Right. Sometimes in devices though, it’s just like people, there are kind of like bad ones out there, you know what I mean?

Like someone, they had three of them and they all combusted every single time and it’s just like, That’s cool. I just never had that app with mine. Like it just, that didn’t have with mine. I didn’t have that experience. Who’ve worked well over

Jerry: What would you do to update the Ghost?

Pete: Well, I think I would completely re-imagine this loading system, like it’s, you know, this, like, you know, as I’m taking out, it’s kind of getting stuck to my finger a little bit.

Right? So anything like that, if it’s going to kind of make a master, give you an opportunity to lose it, you know, it’s something that should be looked at, you know, do we need to have it like this? And then it with, you know, the battery pack, it’s just, it’s so much more expensive than having like replaceable 18, six fifties.

Cause it’s like proprietary battery pack. You have to buy from them. Uh, they sold the fast charger, if you want to charge it faster too. Right. So it’s like, you know, you can get [00:45:00] to a ton of money if you want to get some extra batteries. And I mean, you’re trying to tell me that’s not 2 18, 6 fifties in there.

I mean, I don’t know if it is, but it’s certainly. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 2 18, 6 50. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. Right. So they could’ve made it better like that, but you know, it was a cool idea. I, you know, I, yeah, it’s a like it, or hate it kind of a look. Right. You know, like some people don’t like it, but I think it’s got it certainly got a really unique look.

So I should pull this up. I haven’t pulled this out in a long time. It’s it’s not charged unfortunately, or I just don’t remember how to use it. That’s possible too.

Jerry: Um, that’s very true. I pulled mine up the other day and I, for Halloween, I pulled it out and Troy, I was gonna have it on the Halloween show.

I was like, how do you fucking do this? I totally, every control man. Like, I didn’t know what to fucking do.

Pete: Yeah. It was all, I agree. That’s a, that’s a point the control scheme needed updated bad. Like, um, you know, the firewood I find it’s like, it’s all vibrations. And if you’re going to like 379 temperatures, it’s like, beep beep beep beep beep beep beep.

It feels like, you know what I mean? It’s just not the, like how have four temperatures you can select from them. Like, just make it a little easier because you know, who wants to have to commit something to memory about how to use this thing, if you’re not going to use it all the time or have the instructions on hand to reference it, because it doesn’t give you just an easy indication.

Like you can have one button, no problem. But you just, you can only do so much with one button. I think sometimes people try to do too much.

Troy: I think that goes into the both tribalism and the, uh, people who only have a couple of vapes and they, they want to have that commitment to a daily. I like the ban of that thing.

Like people that, that Dynavap daily and I love my Dynavaps. They’re, they’re committed to their relationship with that Dynavap they, they know how to use it really, really well.

Pete: Yeah. It’s if this is serious relationship kind of thing. Yeah.

Jerry: I like it. It goes personally. I always got to get it off the damn things.

So I had five to pick from. So maybe that was part of the deal. Like I can, maybe I got the best one, but anyhow, I liked that, man. I thought it was, it was weird, but I was all about the vapor.

Pete: Well, well I think it, yeah, I think it’s also like, um, you know, it is tough to, uh, to just kind of launch a company in this space too. Right? Like it is a pretty, you know, to be like, we’re all a little kind of like, what are you doing? Right. Like, you know, I don’t think people are quite as sometimes open to a brand new manufacturers if they’re not like start ultra small and then build up over time.

You know what I’m saying? If you’re trying to come in with like a commercially ready product and a really nice website, like sometimes it’s a little. It seems it doesn’t seem genuine. You know what I mean? Because I think so many of us have kind of evolved in our, you know, careers in our collections, whatever over time.

So like, if someone’s kind of trying to just step in on, you know, step five sort of thing, right. It’s just kind of like, everyone’s a little skeptical. So I think maybe ghosts could have done a better job at like, um, how they communicated the device in general, like less super flashy videos and a little more. Authenticity or like listening to feedback.

Jerry: All right. So then you’ve got the, uh, forget, like just shouldn’t happen.

Pete: Shouldn’t have an okay man on man. See, that’s, that’s a better, um, you know, here, here’s another kind of a, a kind of a hot take on that and, and it kind of ties into your other question. I would say the hopper IO, I’d say the hopper IO, because the reason I say that is because I think it was a, a real missed opportunity for grasshopper.

Like, you know what I mean? Because they, they released, if you think about it, they had, the device was plagued with issues. You know, some people had one that worked perfectly for three years. Some people were answering them every seven weeks or whatever. Right. So played with issues, but a brilliant little device, right.

An absolutely brilliant little device. So then they, then they say, Hey, we’ve got everything figured out. We bought everything fixed. We’ve got this all fixed. We’re going to release the next one. We are going to make it look identical to the first model in discernible, unless you turn it on and you see the LEDs have a different color and we’re going to call it the same thing.

And I just think it was just an absolute missed opportunity for them to have success with that device. If they would have called it the Terp stick, like, I don’t know, whatever, just, you know, the Terp plug, you know, and boom, you stick it in there. It’s it’s in different colors, the form factors a little bit different.

Like it’s kind of like, okay, yeah, grasshopper that one’s dead. We’ve got that figured out. Now we’ve got this thing. I think that thing [00:50:00] would be everywhere and I don’t see it everywhere. You know what I mean? So that’s, that’s why I say, I really think they missed a opportunity to sell so many more of those.

Troy: Because they, they still they’re still plugged with the same issues.

Pete: Are they the hopper IO? Really, I haven’t been following it. I mean, mine, mine, same thing. My opera IO. Um, it was good. I mean the, no, actually the first one I got the first one and it was not good, but the second one that I had was perfect. Like I just, I had no issues that it’s worked great, but, uh, I haven’t been kind of following any threads on it and stuff, but yeah.

Well then I stay, then I stand by my, my position even more. I mean, it’s a great, it’s a great idea though. Right? Like it’s, you know, it’s, uh, it’s um, it’s a great product. That’s just not quite great is the problem, you know, great idea. Great concept.

Jerry: What about, uh, ball vapes, man? Where are your thoughts on ball vapes and the industry and all that kind of shit.

Pete: You know, I think it’s a, I think it’s a good development for sure. I saw Troy, you had something on your, uh, your website. What was that one called? The Pinky that’s it’s like the open source one.

Troy: It’s an open source made with a little TIG welding nozzle.

Pete: Oh, that’s cool.

Troy: Little TIG, welding nozzles. You can buy a box of like eight of them or 10 of them for like eight bucks on Amazon.

Pete: And it’s, they have like a list on Amazon. You can go on Amazon and you can just buy it all in like one click kind of thing. So, yeah, that’s super cool. Like that’s really, really cool.

Troy: Yeah, you can, you can build it for like 120 bucks. If you don’t have any of the parts, you know, you can like buy the, the coil and the pit and the box of nozzles and the screens and the balls.

Yeah. You gotta have yourself a, uh, extremely art hitting good tasting dry.

Pete: Yeah. I mean, I, that’s why I think, you know, ball vapes, it’s, it’s just the kind of technology that, uh, it just makes sense. Right? Like it’s, it’s that, you know, a massive heat, it’s the more complicated air path coming through. Um, so just from that standpoint, they work well, but then they can also be like ultra simple, right?

Like, like this guy whoever’s is it like a person just made that like one guy kind of

Troy: She.. Secreagent.

Pete: Oh, oh, cool. She’s a, she just conceptualized found the parts and

Troy: yeah. Yeah. She’s a very smart person. And, uh, she’s, uh, she’s in the four 20 people on discord. One of the active members there, there’s a pretty active vape packing community there.

And the discord, uh, someone had done, done some mods with, uh, I guess it was the, like the DC elevator. And then after the. Uh, some someone had, had used like a glass stem build with balls. Someone was building something like that. And then a few people developed a couple of different variations and this one became very popular because it was so affordable and so accessible.

Pete: Well, it seems like that part that, um, the pink part, like, it seems like it’s just a perfect find, right? It’s just like, this is just an ideal pre-existing thing. Um, that’s just exactly what you need.

Jerry: 20, 20 millimeter ceramic nozzle. It’s this perfect 20 mil coil. You just have to spread it just the tiniest bit

Pete: crazy.

Jerry: There’s even cuttings and ledges inside. So you can just set screens in a different place. It’s

Troy: It’s threaded. So you saw the screens that are whatever you put in there and basically.

Pete: Well, I think that’s a really cool idea too. Just the fact that it’s like, Hey, here’s a really cool vape. And then here’s a list from Amazon who like everyone has Amazon, that you can go and buy this and make it, and then you can use it at home.

Right? Like someone sharing that idea with the community. And not only the idea, like they’ve done the work for you, they put together lists. It’s not like, oh, here’s what I used. Go find it from 18 different places kind of thing. Like that’s, that’s just something cool for people to do.

Troy: Yes. And those are her affiliate links as well is I want to support the community.

It’s, it’s a community driven project and I love to do that with, with my brand. I like, I like to enable community members to, uh, share, share their insights and experiences and document their learnings to help other people in the.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah, no, that, that was really cool. I really liked that. Uh, you know, not only the idea, but it seems like it’s a pretty decent, uh, product, especially for the price.

Right. Like coming in pretty low overall

Troy: price. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I have a few extra of these things because they come in a box of like 10, so I can, I can mail you one of these so you can build a pinky.

Pete: I kind of, I kind of want to, I want to just, I got to see if that link, uh, shifts to Canada because we’re in Canada.

So, uh, it’s like amazon.com, but I don’t know, but kind of want to just build one. Like I want to build, you know, build one. Cause I mean, like she’s got the instructions. It’s like step-by-step [00:55:00] pictures, you know what I mean? It’s like, it will be fun.

Jerry: All you’ll need is that pink nozzle, I bet you have everything else there.

I did. And once I got the nozzle, I pulled out, I pulled out my little drawer of screens and my fucking balls. The extra coil that I had laying around and 10 minutes later, I had a vape

Pete: wow. It seems kind of like, that’s kind of interesting. Sort of reminds me of, um, I’ve been seeing everybody wrapping their Dynavaps in copper wire.

Like if you guys, you guys have seen that and stuff, and it’s just like, it’s that same sort of idea that people have, um, the stuff at home. And so they’re just trying it and I just think those ideas are, are really cool. Right. If people can do stuff on their own, especially with stuff that they may already have.

Troy: You, uh, you mentioned the Dynavap Wrap Cap, the armored little armored cap.

Pete: Yeah.

Troy: You’ve been enjoying yours?

Pete: Yeah. It’s been a really, um, kind of a surreal experience using your dynam app without spinning it. You know, it’s just like, whoa, this is, this is interesting. But yeah, I th I think it’s really a, you know, it’s definitely got some potential.

It’ll be interesting to see sort of how exactly they take it from here, you know, but I think it’s, it’s cool. And it’s definitely, um, an innovation, you know what I mean? Like it’s, um, It’ll make us like a significant difference to the process type thing, right? It’s not just like a, a tip that’s, you know, different for this reason, this reason, this reason it’s like a new function.

Jerry: Yeah. I never told mine. I’ve just always just camped on it. And then today, man, I use it. It was fantastic with my Dyna coil, uh, w try with concentrates. Cause you know, what it really does is just kind of strengthens and lengthens the whole fence. So you can get a really good, really good concentrated. I was, I w I got like two or three puffs on a heat, uh, heat really

Troy: created a new Viagara ad, Jerry, strengthens and lengthens.

Jerry: What about the, uh, the cloud Evo, the new, uh, the new Petra thing, imaging and all that stuff.

Pete: It seems interesting. I mean, uh, you know, VapeXhale was the first like real heavy hitter. I think I ever had, like, it was, you know, cause it was one of my earlier vapes and that thing was just a monster cool idea with the like, you know, built around using it with a vertical water piece.

Um, but I, I haven’t used it as the, is the new one released like my, just if I not used it, but it’s

Jerry: coming soon, we haven’t seen ours either. So you’ve seen it right. The Petra?

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. I mean it looks, I think it looks pretty cool. Like, you know, looks are always subjective, but I think it looks pretty cool. It’s kind of futuristic, uh, you know, got some cool color and stuff like that in it.

Um, is it just kind of like, is the idea it’s like just an upgraded vapexhale, I assume like it’s, it’s more or less the same thing just. I designed to redecorate each design. Yeah.

Jerry: It looks like and gotten like from aizer and stors and Bickel and DaVinci, you know, it looks very similar, little extra. Oh, you’re in there.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. I think, I mean, my, the main problem I think they need to fix is the heat. Like that was the only, that was one of those ones that, you know, it should have had an auto shutoff or something like that. Cause it would get like hot, like hot on the body. And it’s like, that’s, that’s just a little scary when you have things plugged in and they get super hot.

You know what I mean? Like in places that they’re busy. Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, it’s one of those things it’s like, if your vape comes with some sort of accessory that you kind of have to put around it to use it comfortably, maybe it should look at something else. You know what I mean? Like if it’s an, if it’s like, fuck something else design-wise, you know what I mean?

Like maybe, maybe try to reduce the need for.

Troy: Right. It gets so hot that it needs a koozie, but it also turns off every 30 minutes.

Pete: Yeah,

Jerry: it was, it was 45, I think. 45. Yeah, whatever it was. It was, I mean, diehards had them hooked up to timers so that they would just turn on every, every 45 minutes.

Troy: I developed the habit of just randomly turning it off and turning it back on. Like I’d be sitting there and I was like *turn on sound*

Jerry: that’s about it and do it every six minutes. I’m like, what the fuck am I doing? And all of

Troy: that. That’s what, that’s what I, I noticed. I’m like, it hasn’t been 20 minutes. I’m just doing it now.

Every time I. Yeah.

Pete: And a habit.

Troy: Yeah, yeah. A fucking shitty habit.

Pete: Yeah. Right. I don’t want that in my life, so, yeah. But yeah. Interesting. I don’t know. I’m interested to, uh, to check it out, you know, when it is there, I mean, I was like checking out new things, so, but yeah. I don’t know too much

Jerry: check out their site, man. It’s got big ass red handles. It looks like it’s got a, it’s got a bigger shell. Anyhow. They probably redesigned some circuitry or something, but it’s still a nice clean glass bamboo down the center and still a top load, you know, all that kind of shit. So it looks the same, but totally [01:00:00] different with these. I mean, it looks like it would take up a. 12 square inches of desk space. Now like with the feet, just so you got check it out.

Pete: Kind of like a rocket ship kind of vibe a little bit, like

Troy: we’ll they have the space theme, like the space monkey thing.

Pete: True. Yeah. Right. There you go. He’s probably riding in it.

Troy: You mentioned a DaVinci. I think davinci came up, came up, uh, a moment ago. Uh, what do you think about, about their current scenario? Because the IQ and the IQC are kind of similar, you know, and then they also have like the micro, which is just like a cheaper version of the, that doesn’t really do the same thing and now they’ve been acquired.

Pete: Now they’re acquired right. And so it’s like, you know, just, just kind of an interesting, interesting thing, I just think, right. Cause it’s like, I don’t think, you know, like we were talking earlier. People starting small and getting big and like Greenlane is like, you know, publicly traded corporation kind of thing. Like they’re a big company by every possible definition.

And you know, so it’s like now it’s like DaVinci is owned by this, you know, corporate entity. It’s like, I don’t know. It is a. I don’t know, I don’t, I’m not necessarily like against it or anything, but I guess it’s just weird to see things evolving to that space. You know what I mean? It’s just like, we’re getting the point of like corporate acquisitions for, for companies kind of thing.

Right. So it’s like, is there gonna be a big vape conglomerate kind of thing more so than there already is, you know, I don’t know. But, um, but yeah, I mean, I, I feel like they, you know, they, they need to have their next vape, you know what I mean? Like, whatever, whatever that next one is, rather than the kind of iterations of really the IQ, you know what I mean?

They’re kind of still building on the IQ. I think they do in general. I think they do a really good job on the craftsmanship of their devices. Like I, I typically know they’re, they’re quite well constructed and well thought out and stuff like that. Um, but I would really like to see something quite different for them.

Maybe something that’s not. You know, very convection or conduction heavy, you know, maybe take something in a different direction. Cause, um, you know, they’re, they they’re, um, like anything that you see their advertising stuff, it’s very professional, you know what I mean? Like they do a really good job at their website and communicating all that stuff.

But I just feel like the IQ came out a long time ago by now. Right? Like it was, it was quite some time ago. And, but yeah, I mean, I’m definitely like to see. See something a little, a little different from them, you know what I mean? Cause the IQ, like the IQC is just kind of a cheaper IQ too, right? Like it’s just sort of are less featured, you know, straightforward, less, less price

Troy: got rid of the OG IQ

Pete: right. And then, and then the micro is like the micro is, I just included that in the video a couple of weeks ago called four vapes. I don’t use anymore. And uh, that’s just where the micro kind of sits in my list at this point. Just compare it to other things that are comparable in size, but just like, you know, I would take a fury to over the micro, you know what I mean?

Like they’re similar similar size. Oh one, you know what I mean? Like sell me the micro versus the one kind of thing. It’s like, that’s sure it’s got okay. Replaceable battery, but it’s an 18, 3 50, you know what I mean? So it’s like, it’s like a watch battery. Like they, you know,

Troy: it’s a useless battery that you almost need to carry to have just to be functional. And its more hassle.

Pete: Yeah. And I, and you have to be kind of like real ginger with it to get the right kind of hit, you know what I mean? Like, it’s not good for someone who wants you to be like, I’m not getting anything. It’s like, you won’t, you got it. You got to just like, you know, it’s. Um, but you know, I guess I always, like, I always think about, I mean, to make sense, but I think about how I want to use the device.

Like, there are other people who are like, oh, the micro hits too hard for me. You know what I’m saying? Like, there’s, there’s people out there who are like, that is hardcore for them. You know what I mean? Like they want something a little bit easier than that. So there’s different people out there looking for different things then, you know, the three of us are as well.

So maybe it fits in someone’s wheelhouse, but I mean, I would just be more of the mind. Like I would just get something a little bit. Bigger, um, or just a different one and just use it at a low temperature. Just use it like three 50 or something like that. Right. Just get a nice, really light experience from it.

Cause I just think overall it’ll be, it’ll be better. You’ll like it more. Yeah. It’s funny. We take on the micro,

Jerry: let’s get into some stuff about you, man. Like, uh, can you tell us about the first time you got high?

Pete: Oh man. The first time. I was at new kids on the block. I was backstage Joey was there.

I mean the very, very first time I ever consumed didn’t feel anything, you know, think it was real, you know, who knows kind of [01:05:00] thing. But I, the second time I did, and it was very pleasant and I kind of carry forward, but you remember those, like, I think everybody remembers like, you know, maybe, maybe the first, I dunno, see 10 times you ever got.

It was different, you know what I’m saying? It was different. Everyone’s chasing that dragon kind of thing. It’s just like, it was different. You don’t really find that any more. Like, I just have these vivid memories of these, like almost like psychedelic sort of experiences, you know what I mean? Like, just so crazy strong.

Like I just, I can picture it. Like it’s yesterday, like walking through this, like trail with my friend and like thinking my legs went down like this and then out like this, and they were like on two wheels, like this going like in CA you know, and I just had the sensation of like, as I was walking and it was like, and I can just recall it like perfectly, you know what I mean?

And that doesn’t really happen for me anymore. And it’s too bad. You know what I mean? I, I really wish you could kind of go back and experience it again for the first time. Right. But, um, if you,

Troy: if you take like a decent tolerance break.

Pete: Yeah, that’s true. That’s true. I guess I’m, I don’t tend to do that.

Troy: When I, when I first moved to California in 2012, uh, I hadn’t smoked in probably like nine months.

Pete: Wow.

Troy: It Illinois, man. Nah, it, it was, it was illegal and I would’ve gotten fired from my job. So it was always like a juggling thing. And sometimes when things got serious, I had to take big breaks. Yeah.

When I came to California and got hooked up on the, on the medical system and I had my first, like for one, the weed in California is better than the illegal weed from Illinois in 2012. So way better. The like the first time I got high, it was, it was totally that high school high. Again, I remember being in the shower.

And I couldn’t stop, like turning around like B, because like, I was like, I just had this, this thing, like I fucked with my OCD and I was like, Like, as I was turning I’m like, I can’t stop. I can’t stop turning. And I was just like,

Jerry: Troy, I love it, man.

Troy: So fucking high dude.

Pete: Wow. That makes me want to take a tolerance break. Like, you know, the real good old fashion, like, you know, 30 day or something like that. Cause it’s yeah, those old times, like. You know, I just have like, just these certain, like, it’s just to me, I guess what’s kind of like always remarkable is just like how vivid, those kind of moments are.

You know what I mean? Like, you’re going back to like, when you’re a teenager and you’re just like, man, like I can REM that sensation kind of thing. Right. And, uh, so you know, it was, yeah, definitely, definitely good. I never really had any, uh, you know, I guess a couple, a couple of run-ins a cough. I had a cough one time take, uh, my first vape, I, uh, homemade vape and he took it.

Luckily he just took it, you know? Cause that’s what I’m saying. Like here, especially in BC, like, you know, it was, he was completely illegal back then, but like they did care. Like they didn’t care at all, but I had this homemade V which I was telling you. So it was, um, there was a website called overgrow.com.

That was like the weed based website. It got like, shit, I think it’s back up, but it’s nothing like, it was like, it was, and it was a community. Like it was just a community. It’s huge. Oh, it was huge. It was so active and. They had these schematics for building like a homemade vaporizer. So you had a soldering iron that you, and it had like a kind of a parts list.

Lot of them were from radio shack. The guys remember radio shack, which was, you know, pretty cool back in the day you took a soldering iron, you unscrewed the tip on it. Um, then you took the disc out of like a 3.5 inch disc. You took the center little metal part out of that, out of the disc kind of had to destroy the disc.

And then you just use the screw with a little square hole in it. That’s right. Exactly. And then you use the screw that would thread into where you unscrewed the solder and iron tip to hold that implants on the soldering iron. And then you got, um, a, you had to have like a control box to control the temperature of the soldering iron, like an adjustable voltage or something like that.

And then. You simply took a pop bottle, like a two liter pop bottle or something, cut a hole in the cap and then slid that into the bottom. The soldering iron kind of taped it around there and then to use it you’d uh, and then you put a little tinfoil over the, um, the assembly, like the disc and the, uh, TIF or the soldering iron, and then the other we weren’t using it at the time.

It was, uh, it was a, it was just a, you know, a passenger at the time, unfortunately. Cause he had to plug it in. That’s the only reason we were using it, you know? Cause he had to plug it in, but it act like it actually worked. Like it, it, it completely would, you know, vaporize the weed and then you had the.

Carefully unscrew the bottle and drug, [01:10:00] you know, put a straw in there or something like that to sip it out. So it was very, um, kind of proof of concept, but like that was where my kind of, you know, interest in fascination and vaporizers began. Right. Cause it was, I always just found the concept really cool.

Like I’d read about it on overgrow. They really only had kind of like the volcano that was of any, you know, notoriety at that point. That was only when you kind of heard of I’m sure others existed, you know, but, uh, and I was just like, oh wow. That’s, that’s so cool. And then I bought from a friend, um, you guys have seen that one, it’s like a Mason jar that you screw on kind of an appliance that it’s essentially a soldering iron with a little bit.

And these are called the BC vaporizer, you know, like, and, uh, and then I had one of those and it was a. I was sold at that point. Like, I’m just like, oh man, like that, that’s kind of all I was doing from then on. Right. And then from there I bought, you know, my first commercial vaporizer, uh, it was called the evap.

Like I gave people this link the other day. I think it’s like rollies.com. If you search INAVAP, I N a V a P they’ve still have like the website up. I think it’s a website where I bought this and I’m talking, this was in like 2001 maybe. And the website is like preserved in time, this Relic of the past.

And you’ll go on the website. You’ll be like, wow. I remember when the internet used to look like this and you can still, I don’t know if you could still buy it. Like, I don’t want to put my credit card on this website, you know, but it was, um, that thing was garbage, like garbage, like, wow. It was so bad. Like, I, first of all, I was just harsh as hell, like ultra harsh.

Right. Just kill your throat harsh kind of thing. But then one day I was using it, heated it up, take it, take a hit and blew out the thickest hit. You could imagine, like, if you were hitting like three cards at once kind of thing, right. And then just immediately there’s hardcore chemical taste. And I’m just like, oh, like, you know, oh, like just hack and trying to get this out of my system kind of thing.

And what it was was how they have the oven attached to the plastic body was like glue. And so the glue had melted. And so you just took a big half a glue from this thing essentially. Right. And it was just like, you know, it was in your taste in your mouth for the next 24 hours kind of thing. And then from there I bought a volcano.

Right. And it’s just like, you know, that’s what I was, uh, You know what I’m saying? It’s, it’s one of those things where it’s like a Susanna by Fiona. She’s got a great saying. That’s just like, uh, you know, I don’t have enough money to buy cheap things. Right. Because it’s like, if you buy cheap things are usually crap and they’re garbage and you end up replacing them with something else.

So you’re just kind of throwing your money away. Right. So cheap, cheap shit. Right. So it’s like, I wish from the start that I just bought good things, you know, and, and, you know, you kind of have to learn those lessons over time. Right. But that volcano I had for seven years, you know what I mean? I, I, I didn’t combust at all since I got that thing, you know, except rare occasion, whatever, I think I bought it like 2000. I want to say 2004. I think it was, it was too. Yeah. The volcano

Jerry: that’s way. The fuck back, man.

Pete: Yeah. It was way back. Like it was when, uh, you know, internet e-commerce was like in its infancy kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like, it’s just like, oh, I guess I’ll put my credit card information on this web.

If you, your parents found out, are you insane? What you’re going to, you know? Right. But it was like, you know, it was just one of the best things I, I ever bought kind of thing. It’s like, it’s like what I’m saying to the YouTube premium, you know what I mean? It’s just like one of these things that you just notice from that day forward, you’re like, this has improved life.

Like this has made my life better. Right? Like this has taken an aspect of my life and made it better kind of thing. Right. So, yeah, that was my a and then from there I just kind of kept on with it. You know what I mean? I think the next day I bought after that was the, uh, solo, the original solo. So I had the volcano until out the solo and then I, I knocked the volcano off my dresser one day and killed it.

Yeah, painful, painful, but then I bought a digital one, so all,

Jerry: and I’ve been fuck with that timer for the rest of your life. Damn. How’d you get into the business? Like when, when did that all happen? And how’d you get into.

Pete: Oh, well, let me really, I just, uh, I just kinda made my first video, just, uh, kind of on a Lark.

You know what I mean? Just like, um, one of the main reasons was that I got a new video camera cause I was, um, I did video production, right. So I would, you know, film and edit videos kind of thing. And um, so I got a new camera. I wanted to try it out. My fiance was just like, she’s like, oh, you, you know, you love to talk like you should do a video.

Cause she was doing some, uh, some videos at the time. So I’m like makeup videos she’s into like makeup and stuff like that. Right. So she was, she was like, well, you should do a video on like your vaporizer. Cause I just got this vape pen. It was like a little domed coil wrapped around asbestos probably or something like that.

But you know, [01:15:00] it was a little, a little vape pen and I had, I had never seen anything like that before. Like I didn’t even, I didn’t even know that existed. Cause this was like, concentrate was just kind of coming into to my scene at that time, you know? And I didn’t even know this existed and. So I was, I was just super hyped on it.

And so I just did a video on it. I’m just like, sure. I’ll just kind of just sat down and talked about it. And, uh, and then I just sort of forgot about the video. Um, looked after a couple months and it had like, I don’t know, like 20,000 views or something. I was just like, what? And she was, she was, she was kind of past, you know, she’s, you get 20,000 years your first year.

Like, you didn’t even look at it, you know? And I just, so I have my solo. Right. I had, that was kind of like the main vape I had at the time. So I had the song, the digital volcanoes. So I did a review on, on both of those. And then I sold those. So I could get some different vapes, um, to review those. Right.

And then just, um, But I mean, then the business aspect is just, people would just ask, Hey, where can I buy this? Where can I buy this? And, uh, I was just like, sourcing places. People can get this stuff. And then eventually the kind of light bulb goes off and it’s like, well, I mean, we should sell this stuff.

Right. And why are we telling someone else to go buy this year? You know? Like, and so, you know, just start with a very, very small amount of products and then just, you know, overtime just added more basically. Right. And just kept, kept, kept doing, you know, the, all the videos and everything. And, uh, yeah, it’s been a lot of fun.

Jerry: And that was up in Canada. You started up there. Right. And then, and then had a second store down here.

Pete: That’s right. Yeah. So yeah. Well, we had, we started in Canada, sneaky, Pete moved down to the states and then we started great white north vaporizer company up here now. So now it’s like, essentially it’s kind of went from here to down there and then the new one up here.

So now each yeah, just a different name. Okay. All right. Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. It’s been, it’s been good, no complaints that then

Troy: we were doing this shit for a living,

Pete: like I know. Oh yeah. It’s it’s not lost on me. You know what I mean? Like it’s, it’s definitely not, you know, I mean, everyone’s had had jobs.

They hate, I’m just, I w we were, we were talking about this Troy about like, not hating work, you know what I mean? And it’s just like, I think that should be kind of like a, a tenant in everyone’s mind, you know? And that can be very different. That mean you have to do, you know what we three are doing right now to have a job you enjoy, like, no, by no means I’ve had, I’ve had any jobs that I’ve enjoyed over time, but if you just hate your job, it’s really tough to like your life.

Like, you know what I mean? It’s tough for that. Cause cause you have to work. It has to be such a large part of your life. Eight hours a day, five days a week, you have to travel to, and from there kind of thing, at least a lot more people are working at home. Now, I think, I think work is infinitely more tolerable when it’s done at home.

Like I am a huge fan work at home. That’s always been extremely important to me. Like ever since I’ve been working, I’ve been working at home primarily. And I was like, I have to, I need to

Troy: totally. I started working from home maybe seven years ago when, when I went back to the, to the.com life after moving here and working for MotorTrend, uh, my, my job was in Beloit, Wisconsin, but I lived in California and, and my whole team was in, was in Wisconsin.

But, uh, I, I was allowed to work from home and it was, it was life changing.

Pete: Yeah.

Troy: After doing that, I’m like, I can never go back to the office. Like I never got.

Pete: No, absolutely. And like, you know, like the, I mean, it’s one of those things too, where I guess it’s like you, but you know, that means sad. I guess an important thing we’re working is home as you still need like physical human interaction, right?

Like you, you still need to have that in your life because if you just work at home and you don’t see anyone else ever, I don’t think that’s good either. Right? So it’s like, whatever that is. If it’s going to the, you know, you go to a coffee shop for an hour a day and you hang out or you go walk around your neighborhood, like, you know, whatever it is, it’s like, you still need that human element.

Right. Just less, just less. Yeah.

Troy: Yeah I hang out in a discord, like the 420vapezone discord. There’s always like a work from home and a crew, like people that just like. Sit in like the, the video session, like we’re, we’re working and just like have like casual, almost like a water cooler.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. Let’s see. There you go.

Like, that’s like a new, a new way of doing it with it. And there’s so many more people who are working at home now. Right. Like more, I’m sure more people are working at home now than ever before. You know what I mean? Like it’s, it’s an all time high kind of thing. So I, I, to me, it’s a, it’s a really good to shift.

Cause I think in general, it’s really good for people’s mental health to, to work at home as compared to having to go somewhere to work. Like if your work is like down the street or something. Okay. But if you live in like a big city, you know, there’s, there’s people driving an [01:20:00] hour and 20 minutes each way, every day, five days.

You know what I mean? So then you’ve taken your eight hour Workday. Now you have an 11 hour work day. You know what I mean? You’re getting paid for eight and then those other three are costing you money. You know what I mean? So it’s like, these things all cut into your quality of life, right? Like, it’s like you only get so many, so many hours, like not just in a day, like in your lifetime, like, do you want to spend them in traffic five days a week for three hours?

Like, no, you don’t. Right. So you know, that, that, that would be my advice to anyone listening to this. If I can offer any advice and try to find something where you can work at home, you won’t regret it. I really don’t. I don’t know anyone who has said I need to get out of here, I guess, unless maybe he, like, you have a bunch of roommates or something like that, right.

Maybe that’s, maybe that’s different than, but don’t get roommates. That’s my other bikes.

Troy: That’s great advice. And I think, I think there’s a massive revolution happening in the workforce and the way that our society commits to the working, working horse of, of making the world go around.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it’s, you know, I mean, things do have to shift like over time, like, you know what I mean, things are only ever, like, if you look at life, I’m sure 70 years ago it’d be drastically different than now.

And probably a lot of it we wouldn’t want to do. Right. So it’s like things do have to kind of change and evolve over time as society changes and evolves. Right? So

Troy: especially with like office life and work-life so much of the day is spent an inefficient ways anyway. Well for a lot of people, like you go to work and you might only have a couple hours of real work time.

And the other times might be meeting times and casual. Uh, distractions where people ask the, ask you to do this, and then you got like an hour of email or two hours of email work to do. And there’s so much non-work.

Pete: Oh yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, if you could take any, any employee that gets paid a 40 hour week salary, and if you said to them, The faster you can get your work done.

You’re just done. As soon as you can get all your work done, you’re finished for the week. They’ll be done on Monday, maybe done on Monday a hundred percent. Like that’s why, like, when I always have a scale of like how long it takes me to, to edit a video, like I’m talking actual work time for someone who’s like proficient at editing a video kind of thing.

So it takes a long time to put together like a nicely done project kind of thing. Right. Because, and I, and I always think I’m like, if I was doing this for someone, if I was just working somewhere and they’re hired me to do this, I’d be doing this over the course of a week. It takes about a week to do a video.

You know what I mean? Like, whereas if I’m doing it just myself and it’s, it’s in my best interest to get it done fast, I can do three hours one day in three hours another day, and it’s done, you know what I mean? But it’s just like, that’s three hours sitting at your computer working focused, you know, set the timers, start, stop kind of thing.

Right. So. It’s just how I have to do it. So yeah.

Troy: That’s you literally, literally just spoke. What’s been on my mind, like when I do a video, like I, I want to get that shit done and, you know, three or four hours by then when it goes to someone else and then it takes a week, I’m like, whoa,

Pete: it’s a difference of how it works.

No, it’s absolutely. And I think it’s like, you know, You know, people who, uh, have employees and stuff like that, it’s always like really important to remember that, you know what I mean? Like, remember what it’s like being an employee, like it’s, it’s, it’s different, right? So it’s like, if your expectation, like, I always think of like, we live in a condo, so we have, uh, a strata, um, Manager, whenever that does all kinds of stuff around the building.

And so, you know, us who live here, where his boss, you know what I mean? Like he, he gets paid by the strata. Right. But people’s expectations of what that guy should be doing in eight hours for 40 hours a week are out to lunch. You know what I’m saying? Like they think it should be just like, go, go, go. What are you doing?

You see now? Where is he? He’s not working. It’s just like, that’s not how jobs are. Like, that’s not how people work. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I’m saying? Like, there’s, like you say, like there’s chatting and you know, do an emails and all this kind of stuff. Like, are you like that at your job?

Just like eight hours a day nose to the grindstone. It’s just like, no, but then why would you expect that for someone else? How is that fair? Right.

Troy: And that’s totally a me problem by the way. Yeah. Which is also why I don’t send off videos as often as I, as I should, because I just would rather not have to deal with the. Those struggles

Pete: right now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when you’re, when you’re doing it yourself, if you’re going to do it, how you want it done when you want it done, like, it is always easier in many, in many, many [01:25:00] ways. Right? And it’s like, if you’re going to find someone who’s going to do it, you know exactly like you want it done fast, it’s going to be expensive.

You know? It’s like, there’s that old saying like good, fast, cheap pick any two. Right. So it’s running good and fast. All three, you can have all three, right? Take your pick. So if you want, if you want a good and slow long can be reasonable price, right there should be like, there should be like a, there should be a good, fast cheap of vapes.

You know what I mean? Like there needs to be a same pick, any two for vapes kind of thing, right?

Troy: The quality and the affordable, and then the. Reputable company relationship kind of thing.

Pete: It’s the third is like quality affordable. It’s the third thing. That’s like the, you know what I mean?

The question

Jerry: portability

Pete: portability. That’s something to look at something to look at,

Jerry: unless that rolls into some bigger quality

Pete: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Either way. It’s the same, same kind of idea. Right? Same kind of idea. But I wanted to just ask you guys question here. This is a, this is a, you know, this is a class and kind of a question.

And if you can’t answer you can’t, but do your best. If you, if you could only choose, are you going concentrate or flour? If you had to choose one flower all day,

Jerry: you don’t have to finish the fucking question for me man.

Pete: Troy,

Troy: I would, I would probably also choose flour. Um, I struggle because I really, really, really like hash rosin.

And every time I, I have a good dab of hash rosin, I think. Like I could, I could live off of this. Like I could, I could put away my flower vapes and be all hash rosin, but every time I try, every time I go, dabs only, I only go for like a week, maybe three weeks, maybe five weeks. But I always like go back to flower.

And now with ball vapes, flower hits as hard, if not harder and a dab. And I like a good flower bowl with a ball vape mathematically is an equal amount or more. Sure. THC and cannabinoids being extracted.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I do. I just find the effects are different too. Like I find that the effects are quite different between the two and I, I prefer flour myself.

Like I I’m, I’m kind of, of the, of the Jerry mind more that it’s like, you don’t have to finish the question. Like, it’s a pretty easy one for me. Like I enjoy concentrate. Like I, you know, I’m not, I’m not an either or kind of thing, but it would be for me a pretty easy voice. And part of it for me is just concentrate.

It just gives me so messed up. Like it just it’s too, it’d be too hard to integrate concentrates into my lifestyle if they were to replace flour kind of thing, like I’d have to be way more picky and choosy about when I was going to do it because like, I, I just can’t be getting blasted like, you know, 11 in the morning, every day, some days.

Sure. Right. But with flour, it’s just a little bit more E um, easier to manage. Spectrum of experience. You know what I mean? Like, like you say, you, you can go to 10 out of 10. Absolutely. But it’s a lot easier to get to two or three, you know,

Jerry: I’ve got more concetrate in my house right now than I’ve ever had in my whole life so much so that I was like, I’m gonna need a flower for a month.

I mean, like I’ve got so much concentrate and I’m just, I’m just kind of bowling through it. And I still only went one day without flour for the most part a weekend. I’m still forcing myself to do these devs instead of go over to my flower vape that serve. I mean, it’s just, I’m just, I’m always going to do flower.

Pete: Yeah, yeah. I’m the same way. But like, and some people feel, you know, like hate flower baby, and they think it’s like the worst way to consume and things like that. And I just, I don’t understand them. Like I don’t look, I know

Troy: They haven’t experienced the full realm of devices yet, you know, like, remember there’s there’s decades of shitty vaporizers that people based all of their . Yeah. These, these devices are like, so bleeding edge that only the enthusiasts have experienced them. Like once, once Snoop dog or someone hits one of these big ass hard hitting ball vapes. Makes it a thing like once people like, see like, oh shit, vapes can hear

Pete: like, yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah. Someone needs to get Snoop Dogg, a flowerpot or something like that. Like, you know, cause I, I I’ve told you that you’re right. It’s that, you know, it’s, it’s getting ever closer kind of thing, but it’s still a little, you know, I, I always think like, um, say you’re down in Vegas and you go to, you know, planet 13 or something like that. And there’s 150 people in there. Right? How many of those people are vaping that vaping flower?

I’d say less than one. Yeah. Like I would say, I would say a [01:30:00] dozen, you know, like there there’s going to be a few and most of them are going to be getting pre-rolls are going to be, you know, hitting a glass pipe or something like that. And, uh, you know, so it just kind of shows you you’re, we’re still pretty, pretty young in the, in the space.

You know what I mean? Like there’s a lot of room for growth in terms of the amount of people who are exposed to these devices and give them a try and realize that, you know, Hey, maybe I used one in 2015 and it sucked. It’s like, okay, well that was seven years ago. They’ve come a long way. Right? Like long, long way.

You only have to use a vape from seven years ago to know that sure. Everyone’s going to have a, have a preference one way or the other. I don’t find anyone tends to be like split down the middle. It always, always leans kind of one way, you know.

Jerry: Well dude, we’ve we’ve blown up our questions and gone through the whole two hour time slot.

Your awesome was an interview, man. I love talking to you, man.

Pete: Yeah, no, thanks so much for having me on guys. It was really awesome chat and you guys it’s, you know, it’s clearly, clearly been too long since, you know, it could go for another two I’m sure. But, uh, I appreciate you guys having me on and you know, a great, uh, conversation.

I always love to hear your guys’s, uh, takes on things. Cause you know, I, I definitely consider you guys, you know, expert set at what you do. So, you know, I appreciate your opinions.

Jerry: Nice brother. Tell the kids where they can find you, you know?

Pete: Yeah, yeah, sure. So, uh, on YouTube sneaky vaporizers, we have another YouTube channel it’s called, uh, if you search great white north vaporizer company, um, we do like, uh, just kind of product short product videos.

So like two minutes or so just on a specific product. And then, uh, our us website is sneakypetestore.com and then our Canadian and international one is vapenorth.ca. And that’s pretty much an Instagram. I do Instagram and that’s about it. I mean, I have a Twitter account, but you don’t have to follow me there because I, the only things that happens is it tweets when I post a video on Vimeo. So it, and there are these terrible lone posts and it’s just the title and it doesn’t all fit in there. Like it’s, you know, very low effort on Twitter, but Instagram, Instagram on there. So. Awesome. Well, thanks a lot, guys. Appreciate the, the invite and yeah, we’ll have to do it again.

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